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I'm perfectly happy with, and in fact I favor doing away with having delegates do the actual voting, but not for doing away with the strength of each states vote being different. There are alternatives that can be chosen that lie between equal votes for each state and voting power according to population (or size of electorate). Having some intermediate value in fact should be paramount and requisite if ever we went from a bicameral to a unicameral Congress. (That same would be true if we went to a unicameral United Nations Organization.) One way is to weigh the votes equal to the square roots of the respective populations (or electorates, roughly half the population as a first cut at this for those who are curious). Such voting power weighting of voting blocs is as interesting a legitimate subject of change and improvement to our current system as is proportional representation and adoption of approval voting. The bureaucrats in the EU have been grappling with this voting power issue for a number of years now. Weighting of votes, or voting power (which is a familiar phrase used in this context), is a common and important issue in a number of cases involving voting bodies world-wide. Interest in this concept of voting power is also shared with a number of academics (Penrose's square root law, the Banzhof power index, etc.). The European example includes a set of nations of varying population sizes with the same level if not higher level of importance regarding voting power. (Interested readers should examine all of the following examples, then select those that are of more interest to satisfy their initial interest and guide them to seek additional information as they are so motivated.) (Note that EU _object_ives often involve a 62% vote fraction. Inquisitive readers probably recognize this as the logical value for a supermajority, or qualified majority in EU jargon, the golden or divine proportion.) http://arxiv.org/ftp/cond-mat/papers/0405/0405396.pdf http://netec.mcc.ac.uk/WoPEc/data/Papers/ctllouvir1996022.html http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~ecaae/ http://www.lse.ac.uk/Depts/cpnss/projects/vp.html http://faculty.niagara.edu/sqkelly/voting%20power.htm http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-07/bpl-cvp072304.php http://acm.uva.es/p/v4/435.html http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/niza.htm http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/powerEU1.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/eupower2.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/notebook/eu15nice.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/notebook/eu25nice.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/eurules.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/enlargue.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/eustar.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/Constitution.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/voting.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/majority.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/generat.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/banzhaf.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/letter.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/notebook/votingnb.pdf http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.htm http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/EXTABOUTUS/ORGANIZATION/BODE... Dave Simpson
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I'm perfectly happy with, and in fact I favor doing away with having delegates do the actual voting, but not for doing away with the strength of each states vote being different. There are alternatives that can be chosen that lie between equal votes for each state and voting power according to population (or size of electorate). Having some intermediate value in fact should be paramount and requisite if ever we went from a bicameral to a unicameral Congress. (That same would be true if we went to a unicameral United Nations Organization.) One way is to weigh the votes equal to the square roots of the respective populations (or electorates, roughly half the population as a first cut at this for those who are curious). Such voting power weighting of voting blocs is as interesting a legitimate subject of change and improvement to our current system as is proportional representation and adoption of approval voting. The bureaucrats in the EU have been grappling with this voting power issue for a number of years now. Weighting of votes, or voting power (which is a familiar phrase used in this context), is a common and important issue in a number of cases involving voting bodies world-wide. Interest in this concept of voting power is also shared with a number of academics (Penrose's square root law, the Banzhof power index, etc.). The European example includes a set of nations of varying population sizes with the same level if not higher level of importance regarding voting power. (Interested readers should examine all of the following examples, then select those that are of more interest to satisfy their initial interest and guide them to seek additional information as they are so motivated.) (Note that EU _object_ives often involve a 62% vote fraction. Inquisitive readers probably recognize this as the logical value for a supermajority, or qualified majority in EU jargon, the golden or divine proportion.) http://arxiv.org/ftp/cond-mat/papers/0405/0405396.pdf http://netec.mcc.ac.uk/WoPEc/data/Papers/ctllouvir1996022.html http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~ecaae/ http://www.lse.ac.uk/Depts/cpnss/projects/vp.html http://faculty.niagara.edu/sqkelly/voting%20power.htm http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2004-07/bpl-cvp072304.php http://acm.uva.es/p/v4/435.html http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/niza.htm http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/powerEU1.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/eupower2.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/notebook/eu15nice.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/notebook/eu25nice.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/eurules.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/enlargue.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/eustar.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/Constitution.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/voting.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/majority.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/generat.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/banzhaf.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/pdffiles/letter.pdf http://www.esi2.us.es/~mbilbao/notebook/votingnb.pdf http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.htm http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/EXTABOUTUS/ORGANIZATION/BODE... - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Dave Simpson
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This is a Republic. The electoral college is part of it for a legitimate reason. PERIOD! Democracy without competence or virtue is a bad thing, indeed. Dave Simpson
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reason. PERIOD! Democracy without competence or virtue is a bad thing, indeed. Dave Simpson I'll second that.
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This is a Republic. The electoral college is part of it for a legitimate reason. PERIOD! Democracy without competence or virtue is a bad thing, indeed. And at the federal level, we are a democracy of states, not people. That is what a republic *is.* The people tell their states how to vote; it is the states who actually vote for the President.
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Democracy without competence or virtue is a bad thing, indeed. And at the federal level, we are a democracy of states, not people. That is what a republic *is.* The people tell their states how to vote; it is the states who actually vote for the President. The only normal part of the federal government that is a democracy of states is the U.S. Senate. There is one special action that the U.S. House of Representatives can do (see below) that may be considered also a democracy of states, but that is all. The people never tell their states how to vote for the President; the states (except as noted below) do not vote for the President; you are incorrect. The people tell their electors, not their states, how to vote; it is the electors, not the states (except as noted below), who actually vote for the President. The only exception you can claim, and even there you'd be wrong (because the people have no say in that instance; they don't tell their states how to vote in that instance) is when there is no absolute electoral majority and the House of Representatives chooses the President
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